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Daniel Hanrahan's avatar

Regarding Loomer and the idea of engaging with MAGA adherents, my initial, visceral response is one of revulsion. I don't think I am alone in this response and I think it's perfectly natural and healthy, given the grotesque moral spectacle that defines MAGA. (Indeed, "grotesque moral spectacle" has been Donald's brand as a politician for this past decade). However, my secondary and more reason-based response is that the desperation MAGA voters (if not MAGA pundits) feel has many of the same root causes as the desperation that we on the progressive left feel. Namely, the sense that the most crucial aspects of our lives are out of our control, have been hijacked by the billionaire corporatist class and their servants in federal government and that there is nothing on god's green earth that these actors are not willing to sacrifice on the altar of corporate profit. To use the term employed by Chris Hedges and Joe Sacco in their highly relevant book Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt, everywhere on Earth - from our individual bodies to the bayous of Louisiana - represent potential “zones of sacrifice” to the corporate class and, indeed, to the corporate mentality. The difference between the progressive left & MAGA is not in the desperation we feel but to what we attribute this tragic state of affairs.

As a neo-fascist movement, MAGA has conjured an unoriginal set of boogeymen on whom to pin the crimes. They are, as it were, the usual suspects: immigrants, non-Christians, nonwhite people, women, the gender non-conforming, public school teachers, the "extreme" or "communist" left (by whom they mean underground radical Nancy Pelosi), even - interestingly - "big pharma," "big tech," "neocon warmongers (!)" and other “elites." Remarkably, among that last batch of actual corporate-aligned criminals, MAGA still doesn't quite connect the dots between them and Trump/Musk/Vivek/Donald's Cabinet of Corporate Creeps. However, perhaps Donald's very public alignment with the tech and finance oligarchs Elon and Vivek is lifting the veil from the eyes of some of MAGA regarding the long-running fusion between Donald and the oligarch class. Or, perhaps, that is bit naive and unrealistic on my part. Maybe all that is happening is that MAGA is having a xenophobic, nativist tantrum related to immigrant visas, and the colossal deception under which they suffer - the notion that Donald fights for the common citizen - is, finally, impenetrable.

In any case, I can't blame you for trying to seize the moment and introduce reason and critical thought into discussions with MAGA. Rather than merely find common ground with neo-fascists, however, I think it's also important to try to get them to see the very basic connections identified above and to accept 0% of their facile and morally hideous "usual suspects” arguments. Whether or not Loomer is someone with whom one can do this - I guess I'll see when I try to watch the interview. My sense of her is that she is not at all a good faith actor and has built a career on WWF-style screaming bullshittery. But life is full of surprises and every so often a tiger may even change its stripes.

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Valerie Smith's avatar

I so appreciate your willingness to engage ‘the other side’ (in many ways), it’s so important if we want to re-build society and not keep fracturing it into a million camps, divided by two (although doesn’t that sounds like the brain itself?). I’ll see if I can make it thurs

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