Have you read Chris Bache’s work? In Dark Night, Early Dawn and LSD and the Mind of the Universe he explores his 20 year run of high dose LSD journeys and experiences the coming collective death and rebirth. He gives talks with Duane Elgin often who wrote
Choosing Earth, looking at a timeline stretching into the 2040’s and 50’s as the ultimate choice point for humanity. He largely tracks denial as the predominant cultural expression all the way through the 2030’s, which is a terrifying thought. Even if his timeline is off, I feel a resonance in the necessity of the rock bottom, which I think is still a good ways off yet.
Guy McPhearson seems to have established himself as a questionable human on many levels and my life has gotten better in some intangible way since I stopped basing my life on his predictions.
Thanks for your willingness to “go there.” It feels like fresh, honest water in a parched landscape.
Thank you for this - just watching it now. Chris is so articulate, lucid and “academic” despite those extremely high doses of LSD. I like the schema he lays out as he accessed new levels/realms of consciousness. Valuable information, indeed.
What a wonderful event with an exceptional moderator! You also handled the Q & A most effectively! The hardest part of any open forum.
When Doug Rushkoff spoke of his hopefully expecting magic to save us, my heart sang because, although I live with Guy McPherson and daily watch the evidence of our imminent doom piling up, I too hold out for a transfiguration of our collective existence that will not only unite humans, but empower us on some unexplored level to heal our human brokenness and our broken world.
Many of us have experienced the unexplainable, the scientifically unmeasurable, the “magic” of the universe as Rushkoff said, and not even with the help of drugs. There are far more wonders in the universe than our minds have been allowed to ponder and that our Newtonian science has no tools to measure-yet. Believing that we are One-all the beings on this planet and those in other worlds still unknown to us-might be the first step in connecting with the “magic” of the Universe. I tell my students to be like a tree, giving back more than you take, that kind of love creates alchemical abundance. For too long we have lived in a scarcity focused world, it’s time to move towards becoming an abundance focused world. Be like trees!
one of the many reasons that you intrigue me, and I like and appreciate you is that you sometimes express things that i have passed through many years before. i'd been kinda obsessed with 'the end of the world,' since i was a young boy. studied eschatology, and devoted much of my intellectual, social, and spiritual work on psychedelics to this theme. One of my great teachers, Mircea Eliade, in his last public address, stunned the audience of historians of religions from around the world, with these opening words: "We have reached the End of Time." He continued by advocating that scholars of religion devote themselves to direct experience of the sacred, for that would enliven that field, and maybe help us remember what we lost, and why we are (in his view) reaching the end. I don't think like that anymore. there is no end, just an ever widening beautiful dance of the cosmos, that much more vast than we tend to imagine....
Unfortunately, though, Guy McPherson made the most sense, had the best presentation, endured the jeers and calumny, cutting through all the wishful and hopium that seems to animate the others.
Magic, my ass. That’s not what governs biological reality.
Thank you Daniel for sharing your and others voices and ideas in the forum, both ideological and logical, about whether or not we are in fact doomed. You were the perfect host/ moderator, because of your interdisciplinary outlook and worldview and past writing and thinking. You did a great job of facilitating the discussion and moderating the panel and question answer session.
The perspectives shared reflect our collective apprehension and intuitive sense that these times are different, that we may well be at, in the middle of, or about to experience a dramatic change point that will transform our experience of life and living. The questions about what is tenable, what is probable, and also what is possible, are all hanging in the liminal space. We can decide if we want to let the technological destroy the ecological or if we want to work with the natural world here on earth and in the cosmos to ensure and sustain our species’ biological survival.
That the laws of physics are also adapting and evolving is an intriguing and promising theory and / or it may be that our ability and capacity to override and manipulate certain laws of physics is also evolving.
In the meantime, as existing systems and structures continue to shift and collapse around us, let’s not give in to doom and gloom, but stay open to the very real possibility that it is not the end but the beginning that is near.
Hey Daniel, I used to read your stuff more frequently and found often your insights and investigations intriguing, but when it veers into the new agey it can get really out of the zones of tactical and critical analysis. And extremely irritating ! I think it's important to consider both the doomers and the hopey as new age territories ! And one might best put people like Guy McPherson in a possible psy ops category for his completely incompetent level of understanding the political struggles of our times, and/or b/c of a very intentional apolitical massage of "let's all cry and hug each other as the 1% steal everything, and make toast of the 3/4 or more of the inhabitable planet ! " ( i.e. global-scale fascism) ... A much better analysis of climate demolition can be found in " Shock Of The Anthropocene" by Bonneuil, Christophe and Fressoz, Jean-Baptiste. In an interview with them some years ago, their sharper and more realistic claim is that many of our species and others will indeed survive... but the kind of world left to live in absolutely matters and is entirely dependent upon what we do now to lessen the catastrophe. Or as Andrew Boyd humorously calls it in his book " I want a better catastrophe !" is also a much sharper approach! Stop writing for The Burning Man crowd and Fashion Week fans... We, the XLterrestrials, think it would improve your writing and analysis immensely. Said with respects, but much much irritation at these low level article specimens !
Just wanted to add, I did watch ( most of ) the video of the Are We Doomed? which goes much deeper than what impressions i got from the text. And perhaps i'll examine the rest when i have time. Doug's passionate plea for humanity and attempting to better understand death processes, and the fact that we know so little about who and what we are is great, references to Sheldrake and all ! ... But i would still double down on the Doomer and Dumber reductionist science positions like McPherson's. Even if we were all going to DIE as soon as NEXT WEEK, it is the solidarity for all living beings that make it a caring ethical position, a duty to all our brothers and sisters, that then demands that we attempt to liberate all beings from the nerco-politics of Krapitalism (and western Scientism ? ) NOW in our present actions ! Or else you are just complicit in the White Supremacist / Gringo Fascism that is already making the planet a living hell for most people. ... Which also leads me to the question of why even create a panel on that topic that is so very male and gringo dominated? ... Of course you are going to get some very narrow western-centric results and very inexperienced political solidarities from that !!
Perhaps there exists multiple realities that reflect our various unique perspectives: we are part wave / part particles as we unconsciously attract/repel other configurations of matter. Complexly and additionally, there are differentiated levels of consciousness that flow at various rates from individual thoughts (unlikely) to collectively shared thoughts. A consciousness spectrum of multiple dimensions. ?
Have you read Chris Bache’s work? In Dark Night, Early Dawn and LSD and the Mind of the Universe he explores his 20 year run of high dose LSD journeys and experiences the coming collective death and rebirth. He gives talks with Duane Elgin often who wrote
Choosing Earth, looking at a timeline stretching into the 2040’s and 50’s as the ultimate choice point for humanity. He largely tracks denial as the predominant cultural expression all the way through the 2030’s, which is a terrifying thought. Even if his timeline is off, I feel a resonance in the necessity of the rock bottom, which I think is still a good ways off yet.
Guy McPhearson seems to have established himself as a questionable human on many levels and my life has gotten better in some intangible way since I stopped basing my life on his predictions.
Thanks for your willingness to “go there.” It feels like fresh, honest water in a parched landscape.
Here is a lecture Chris did for our past seminar... https://www.liminal.news/christopher-bache-s-lsd-prophecies/buy ... I wanted people to see it so made it free.
Thank you for this - just watching it now. Chris is so articulate, lucid and “academic” despite those extremely high doses of LSD. I like the schema he lays out as he accessed new levels/realms of consciousness. Valuable information, indeed.
What a wonderful event with an exceptional moderator! You also handled the Q & A most effectively! The hardest part of any open forum.
When Doug Rushkoff spoke of his hopefully expecting magic to save us, my heart sang because, although I live with Guy McPherson and daily watch the evidence of our imminent doom piling up, I too hold out for a transfiguration of our collective existence that will not only unite humans, but empower us on some unexplored level to heal our human brokenness and our broken world.
Many of us have experienced the unexplainable, the scientifically unmeasurable, the “magic” of the universe as Rushkoff said, and not even with the help of drugs. There are far more wonders in the universe than our minds have been allowed to ponder and that our Newtonian science has no tools to measure-yet. Believing that we are One-all the beings on this planet and those in other worlds still unknown to us-might be the first step in connecting with the “magic” of the Universe. I tell my students to be like a tree, giving back more than you take, that kind of love creates alchemical abundance. For too long we have lived in a scarcity focused world, it’s time to move towards becoming an abundance focused world. Be like trees!
Thank you again for this event!
one of the many reasons that you intrigue me, and I like and appreciate you is that you sometimes express things that i have passed through many years before. i'd been kinda obsessed with 'the end of the world,' since i was a young boy. studied eschatology, and devoted much of my intellectual, social, and spiritual work on psychedelics to this theme. One of my great teachers, Mircea Eliade, in his last public address, stunned the audience of historians of religions from around the world, with these opening words: "We have reached the End of Time." He continued by advocating that scholars of religion devote themselves to direct experience of the sacred, for that would enliven that field, and maybe help us remember what we lost, and why we are (in his view) reaching the end. I don't think like that anymore. there is no end, just an ever widening beautiful dance of the cosmos, that much more vast than we tend to imagine....
We are Stardust after all. It provides some comfort to cling to that beautiful truth.
Unfortunately, though, Guy McPherson made the most sense, had the best presentation, endured the jeers and calumny, cutting through all the wishful and hopium that seems to animate the others.
Magic, my ass. That’s not what governs biological reality.
Thank you Daniel for sharing your and others voices and ideas in the forum, both ideological and logical, about whether or not we are in fact doomed. You were the perfect host/ moderator, because of your interdisciplinary outlook and worldview and past writing and thinking. You did a great job of facilitating the discussion and moderating the panel and question answer session.
The perspectives shared reflect our collective apprehension and intuitive sense that these times are different, that we may well be at, in the middle of, or about to experience a dramatic change point that will transform our experience of life and living. The questions about what is tenable, what is probable, and also what is possible, are all hanging in the liminal space. We can decide if we want to let the technological destroy the ecological or if we want to work with the natural world here on earth and in the cosmos to ensure and sustain our species’ biological survival.
That the laws of physics are also adapting and evolving is an intriguing and promising theory and / or it may be that our ability and capacity to override and manipulate certain laws of physics is also evolving.
In the meantime, as existing systems and structures continue to shift and collapse around us, let’s not give in to doom and gloom, but stay open to the very real possibility that it is not the end but the beginning that is near.
Hey Daniel, I used to read your stuff more frequently and found often your insights and investigations intriguing, but when it veers into the new agey it can get really out of the zones of tactical and critical analysis. And extremely irritating ! I think it's important to consider both the doomers and the hopey as new age territories ! And one might best put people like Guy McPherson in a possible psy ops category for his completely incompetent level of understanding the political struggles of our times, and/or b/c of a very intentional apolitical massage of "let's all cry and hug each other as the 1% steal everything, and make toast of the 3/4 or more of the inhabitable planet ! " ( i.e. global-scale fascism) ... A much better analysis of climate demolition can be found in " Shock Of The Anthropocene" by Bonneuil, Christophe and Fressoz, Jean-Baptiste. In an interview with them some years ago, their sharper and more realistic claim is that many of our species and others will indeed survive... but the kind of world left to live in absolutely matters and is entirely dependent upon what we do now to lessen the catastrophe. Or as Andrew Boyd humorously calls it in his book " I want a better catastrophe !" is also a much sharper approach! Stop writing for The Burning Man crowd and Fashion Week fans... We, the XLterrestrials, think it would improve your writing and analysis immensely. Said with respects, but much much irritation at these low level article specimens !
Just wanted to add, I did watch ( most of ) the video of the Are We Doomed? which goes much deeper than what impressions i got from the text. And perhaps i'll examine the rest when i have time. Doug's passionate plea for humanity and attempting to better understand death processes, and the fact that we know so little about who and what we are is great, references to Sheldrake and all ! ... But i would still double down on the Doomer and Dumber reductionist science positions like McPherson's. Even if we were all going to DIE as soon as NEXT WEEK, it is the solidarity for all living beings that make it a caring ethical position, a duty to all our brothers and sisters, that then demands that we attempt to liberate all beings from the nerco-politics of Krapitalism (and western Scientism ? ) NOW in our present actions ! Or else you are just complicit in the White Supremacist / Gringo Fascism that is already making the planet a living hell for most people. ... Which also leads me to the question of why even create a panel on that topic that is so very male and gringo dominated? ... Of course you are going to get some very narrow western-centric results and very inexperienced political solidarities from that !!
Perhaps there exists multiple realities that reflect our various unique perspectives: we are part wave / part particles as we unconsciously attract/repel other configurations of matter. Complexly and additionally, there are differentiated levels of consciousness that flow at various rates from individual thoughts (unlikely) to collectively shared thoughts. A consciousness spectrum of multiple dimensions. ?
Thank you for sharing this conference with us. Great speakers.
The uncertainty principle. No one knows.