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Charlotte Dune's avatar

I’ve been pondering why men love vehicles so much for many years. They seem born with a strong affection for motors and vehicles, and even “typical” small baby boys are obsessed with trucks. I think it’s because deep down they all just want to find more women to sleep with and they use the vehicles to search for more women. Then also to signal to the women that they are sex worthy because they can obtain vehicles, like yachts or even golf carts.

So, I think the spaceships and leaving the planet is actually about finding aliens to have sex with and impregnate. They must sleep with everyone in the galaxy, not just on earth. Which maybe sounds crazy or far out, but you don’t see women really obsessed with vehicles or spaceships or rockets. Nor do most women want to sleep with and find every sexually fit creature around. They generally prefer one very devoted creature.

If this is true, and most of the environmental degradation is actually driven by the male sex drive, then one way to save the planet would be to develop a method for women to reproduce on their own, then turn all the men into women.

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Daniel Pinchbeck's avatar

I love this comment!

I've brooded over this for many years: How the mismatch of male/female sex drives seems to be a massive problem... I wrote about the book "Against the Sexual Revolution" which argues men need to be tamed and domesticated and forced into monogamy. I've also been fascinated by the Neo-Tantra / polyamory community and by Tamera in Portugal, which is a community started by German visionaries based on open love. The Tamera idea is that women also want "free sexuality" but can only be happy if there is a deep community connection built around this kind of sharing. I am not sure how, ultimately, it has succeeded in practice. I note they seem to all smoke a lot of cigarettes and I understand the older women are still not very satisfied as many of their partners prefer younger partners.

So yes you could give all men a hormone I guess that reduces Testosterone and feminizes them. On the other hand, the disruptive energy that comes from men is kind of what is often most interesting in what it produces as creativity or new innovations. Personally I was more interested in a society that de-stigmatizes Eros entirely - Herbert Marcuse wrote about this in Eros and Civilization but then he was super disappointed by the sexual revolution of the 60s which he described as "repressive desublimation."

Waiting on my bookshelf is "The Spirit of Intimacy" by Sobonfu Somé... I think indigenous societies weren't quite as sexually diabolic as modern / postmodern industrial civilization... partly I suppose because everyone knew each other in a close community, and partly the community intimacy was part of the basis of life. I think in our society, many are so alienated and alone that people seek out sex compulsively just to have some kind of intimate connection with another human. Then of course you have societies like Japan where apparently young people are no longer interested in sex... which seems worse, expressing a loss of soul or alienation / detachment due to immersion in virtual worlds.

Would love to explore this topic further.

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Charlotte Dune's avatar

Love this topic too. The next novel I’ve begun has a polyamorous community as its central source of conflict, so this is of interest to me as well.

I also love the chaotic creative energy of men, and like Grime’s noted recently, I even sort of love the patriarchy... in the way she explains. All the benefits. So, I think you’re right. Men just need to be trained to care more for the planet. Or maybe they need to spend a temporary amount of time hormoned up on the feminine to experience a more nurturing reality.

Likewise, if I could take male hormones and temporarily experience male reality and have it be reversible, I’d also love to try that.

And thanks for that Portugal poly community suggestion, going to look into that for my own fiction research. And lol to the cigarettes. Maybe ai sex robots will solve some of the attraction problems for older women. Instead of men who don’t want them, they can have super intelligent hot guy dolls/bots.

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MR's avatar

I would still like to know where analytical idealism puts the guardrails for pseudo science. I know more quantum hippies who blindly accept any new age belief as long as it's packaged in words like "consciousness, manifestation, quantum state of being" lol. Maybe someone has already addressed this question within analytical idealism. I just don't know enough to know.

Worthy goal tho, all of it. I guess as it involves the survival of humanity as we know it, that is a huge understatement. As always the devil is in the details.

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Daniel Pinchbeck's avatar

Try reading "Why Materialism is Baloney" or another Kastrup book. I think he addresses this well.

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MR's avatar

Thank you, I’ll check it out!

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Constanza Mirré's avatar

Important article indeed to read , thank you Daniel ! Also very much resonated with your comment on Solnit’s ‘Paradise built in Hell’. You say : “Ironically, before modern civilization, when we lived in organic communities, this was our natural state, going back many thousands of years”. … Whenever I think about things along the lines of your comment I always remember Andre Gide’s & Marc Allegret’s ‘Voyage aux Congo’. Set in Congo in 1927, it documents life in five (around five) different villages in Congo. If you have the chance , I recommend it ..

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Daniel Pinchbeck's avatar

Interesting, never heard of it! Thanks for the recommendation. Where can one find it?

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Malcolm Rands's avatar

Not sure how we would do this, but I have spent almost 40 years co-creating and living on a permaculture eco village. Lots of lessons to be learnt. Not all smooth sailing but we are still here, third generation now on the land and very mature regenerative food forests. Would love to share our learnings but would prefer conversation rather than back and forth text.

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Jennifer Browdy, PhD's avatar

Thanks for doing this work, Daniel. So needed.

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